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  Did you suffer from panic attacks in the borg?

  by highdose in

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  i can certainly say that i did and that i knew alot of others that did too.

  i can also say that i don't any more, i left my panic attacks in the km!.

  what about you?.

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  paul from cleveland

  Same here... only I would describe my experience as a "panic attack in slow motion".

  I'll wake up in the middle of the night... usually around 2:00 or 3:00 AM and will just lay there, unable to sleep, with incredible fear for several hours.

  Elsewhere, that is what I experience too. I keep a bottle of sleeping pills and a glass of water by my bed because of this. When I wake up in the middle of the night terrified and drenched in 'cold sweat', I change my t-shirt, move to a dry part of the bed, take another pill, and go back to sleep.

  Even during the day, I carry a sense of 'impending doom' and terror with me always. Work distracts from it. At night, though, is when it really all comes out. I know it sounds stupid, but, sometimes I have friends or even my dad sleep over because I'm 'scared'. I'm sort of in a constant state of panic. I think, for me, it's because I'm not sure about whether or not I'm making a mistake regarding the Witnesses.
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  Mouthy

  by crapola in

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  i'm wondering how our friend mouthy is doing.

  i've probably just missed her posts lately but i have'nt seen her around.

  anyone keep in touch with her?.

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  paul from cleveland

  I love you Mouthy.
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  E=MxCxC

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fufxj1qszgk.

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  paul from cleveland

  thanks
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  Did you suffer from panic attacks in the borg?

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can certainly say that i did and that i knew alot of others that did too.

  i can also say that i don't any more, i left my panic attacks in the km!.

  what about you?.

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  paul from cleveland

  No, but I have them now.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

  (thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

  so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

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  paul from cleveland

  Thanks for another great topic. It's amazing to see how these ideas don't just come out of thin air. They all have roots somewhere. I would have never thought that learning about Calvinism would answer this vague, unformed question I've carried with me for so long.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

  (thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

  so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

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  paul from cleveland

  This is the issue I was trying to get at when I posted Is this our fate?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

  (thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

  so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

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  paul from cleveland

  I had never realized that the questions I had were based on Calvinist ideas that were carried over to the Witnesses. It makes so much sense the way you've explained it. That's always been one of my biggest issues but I've never been able to verbalize it properly.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinistic Predestination

  by AllTimeJeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is a complex question, and i just want to get a discussion started on the message of jehovah's witnesses and how it relates to their adventist roots, and esp calvinism.. bear with me, i will try to be concise.. we all know that while jehovah's witnesses like to deny adventist roots, that it is clear that according to them, the man jesus selected to get the whole thing started, c t russell, was heavily influenced by adventist ideas, esp the (adventist) idea that has really never left them; the idea that somehow, a time date or period can be inferred from the bible if you read certain scriptures through an adventist lens.

  (thus, the 2520 years, 7 gentile times, etc.).

  so while this is relatively well known, there is a concept that jehovah's witnesses teach against, yet practice.

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  paul from cleveland

  This is the exact question I've had my entire life. I remember an elder telling me, while we were out in service one day, that we were looking for people with 'good hearts'. I asked 'what if someone doesn't have a good heart, but they want to have one?' (referring to myself) He just shrugged his shoulders indicating that he didn't know. I've never thought I had a good heart but was a Witness by "accident" because of birth. I was sure that Jehovah would eventually root me out. (which is what happened)
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  Another question for Christians: 'No one comes to the father except through me'

  by paul from cleveland in

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  often times the scripture 'no one comes to the father except through me' is used as proof that we shouldn't recognize an earthly governing body.

  how does that scripture prove that a governing body isn't just part of the 'chain of command' leading to the father?

  it doesn't seem to necessarily preclude the possiblility of an earthly governing body by itself..

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  paul from cleveland

  thank you all for your comments.
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  Another question for Christians: 'No one comes to the father except through me'

  by paul from cleveland in

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  often times the scripture 'no one comes to the father except through me' is used as proof that we shouldn't recognize an earthly governing body.

  how does that scripture prove that a governing body isn't just part of the 'chain of command' leading to the father?

  it doesn't seem to necessarily preclude the possiblility of an earthly governing body by itself..

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  paul from cleveland

  Often times the scripture 'no one comes to the Father except through me' is used as proof that we shouldn't recognize an earthly governing body. How does that scripture prove that a governing body isn't just part of the 'chain of command' leading to the father? It doesn't seem to necessarily preclude the possiblility of an earthly governing body by itself.